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DICE Meeting 2002-09-03

Room 2511, JCMB, 1100-1300

Agenda

  1. Actions Arising from minutes of meeting of 2002-08-20
  2. s-team internal mailing list
  3. Access control for staff restricted web pages on www.informatics
  4. Mail Issues
    1. POP access to mail.inf
    2. Spamassassin
    3. Mail changeover details for September 10th
  5. Selling DICE to users
  6. Overview of DICE deployment - what stage 1 tasks are incomplete?
Apologies: Jeremy, Paul, Simon

Actions summary

NB: this section includes:
  1. Actions Arising - DICE deployment publicity: Site managers to provide (noted 2002-03-19)
    [Alastair/Jeremy/Ken]
  2. Actions Arising - MIS feed: check about getting data direct. (noted 2002-04-02)
    [Neil]
  3. Actions Arising - Searchable cos@inf : setup Harvester/glimpse (noted 2002-06-11)
    [Julieta]
  4. Actions Arising - MSc/Phd group: check whether new group needed. Awaiting response from Gillian and Jon (noted 2002-06-25)
    [Ken]
  5. Actions Arising - Rollout plan: need more detailed one (noted 2002-07-09)
    [Jeremy]
  6. Actions Arising - Newsgroups: what teaching newsgroups are needed. Awaiting response from Gillian. (noted 2002-07-23)
    [Ken]
  7. Actions Arising - Logserver: resource for disabling for certain components (noted 2002-07-23)
    [Paul]
  8. Actions Arising - 64-bit UID: check kernel issues RH 7.1 and above. (noted 2002-08-06)
    [Alastair]
  9. Actions Arising - support email address: alternative address needed (noted 2002-08-06)
    [Chris/John]
  10. Actions Arising - Documentation: DICE-oriented Inf/Systems page (noted 2002-08-06)
    [Alison/Chris]
  11. Actions Arising - client sendmail.cf: The mail team will update the client sendmail.cf to copy root mail to the rootmail list and to the mail.root value (or equivalent). (noted 2002-08-20)
    [mail team]
  12. Actions Arising - Admin staff mail transition: Admin staff will be assisted to convert from legacy mail servers to mail.inf as soon as possible (noted 2002-08-20)
    [John, Morna, Lindsey, Neil]
  13. DICE environment: DICE specific elements of the environment need to be factored out. (noted 2002-09-03)
    [Craig]
  14. Alias UUNs: Roger will confirm the UUN reservations of all aliases with EUCS. (noted 2002-09-03)
    [Roger]
  15. www.automation.ucs: Roger will check with EUCS about access for key Informatics computing staff to www.automation.ucs.ed.ac.uk. (noted 2002-09-03)
    [Roger]
  16. amdThere is a possibility that fishsupper.inf is still suffering from amd problems. Bill will enable full debugging on amd on fishsupper.inf. (noted 2002-09-03)
    [Bill]
  17. s-team internal mailing list: Chris will raise the issue in December/January (noted 2002-09-03)
    [Chris]
  18. Web access control for staff: Neil and Simon will need to give further thought to a long term solution. (noted 2002-09-03)
    [Neil, Simon]
  19. Access control to www.informatics: Ken will replace the current names used for staff access control with each staff member's UUN. He will inform those staff most affected. (noted 2002-09-03)
    [Ken]
  20. access protocols for mail.inf: Neil will poll for comments on the dropping of insecure imap connections to mail.inf from outwith the ed.ac.uk domain. (noted 2002-09-03)
    [Neil]
  21. Spamassassin: Alastair will consult Jeremy and Paul about the use of spamassassin on mail.inf as soon as they are back. (noted 2002-09-03)
    [Alastair]
  22. Mail alias lists: Ken will provide staff redirect alias lists for each postmaster. (noted 2002-09-03)
    [Ken]
  23. Redirect warnings: Each postmaster should mail the staff before and after the redirects effected. (noted 2002-09-03)
    [postmasters]
  24. Advice to staff not redirected: Ken will mail those people on the staff@inf mail alias who will not be redirected on September 10th. (noted 2002-09-03)
    [Ken]
  25. Advice on mail folders: Chris and Morna will coordinate the writing of advice on mail folders. (noted 2002-09-03)
    [Chris, Morna]
  26. Selling DICE: feedback: All should pass on any negative feedback about the introduction of DICE to the documentation team. (noted 2002-09-03)
    [All]
  27. Selling DICE: Benefits: Alison will direct the production of a brief document describing the benefits of moving to DICE. (noted 2002-09-03)
    [Alison]
  28. Selling DICE: Mail backups: Mail on mail.inf will be backed up for longer than 30 days until there is time to discuss this at Computing Committee. (noted 2002-09-03)
    [Chris, CEG]

Minutes

  1. Matters arising from minutes of last meeting (2002-08-20)

    1. Actions Arising - DICE deployment publicity: Site managers should make sure that this publicity is provided. [Alastair/Jeremy/Ken]
      Ongoing
    2. Actions Arising - MIS feed: check about getting data direct.[Neil]
      Waiting for the feed to be setup in due course.
      Ongoing

      Neil noted that the uid server will disappear at some point once the automation server is up and running.
      Roger will confirm the UUN reservations of all aliases with EUCS. (noted 2002-09-03)
      [ACTION: Roger]

      Roger will check with EUCS about access for key Informatics computing staff to www.automation.ucs.ed.ac.uk. (noted 2002-09-03)
      [ACTION: Roger]
    3. searchable cos@inf: tweaking the Harvester config. [Julieta] (noted 2002-06-11)
      Julieta hopes to finish this before she takes annual leave on September 9th.
      Ongoing
    4. Actions Arising - MSc/PhD group: check what may be needed. [Ken].

      Jon Oberlander and Gill Hayes have been contacted about this; awaiting a response.

      Ongoing

    5. Mail redirecting from legacy: publicise plan (noted 2002-07-10) [Jeremy]

      A draft version will be circulated to mail team. Situation has changed since original plan as we have put in system-level redirects from inf back to legacy to avoid dual mailboxes existing.

      The mail issues were discussed under a separate agenda item.

      Ongoing
    6. Rollout plan: need more detailed one (noted 2002-07-09)
      Ongoing
      CEG decided recently that it would be good to convert a couple of student labs to increase the load on the various servers/services. This is happening for KB/SB. (At BP the MScs are using the only lab facilities so these won't get converted until after the MSc finishes.)

    7. eduni.inf : find out what newsgroups are required for teaching purposes. (noted 2002-07-09) [Ken]

      Gillian Hayes has been contacted; awaiting a response.

      Ongoing]
    8. logserver: add resource for controlling logging. (noted 2002-07-23) [Alastair/Paul]
      Ongoing
    9. There was also a concern over whether it will issue 64-bit UIDs and whether there are kernel issues under 7.1 and in particular whether applications will handle them. It appears that there are not any kernel issues but investigation into applications issues continues. [Alastair]
      Ongoing
    10. fetchmail: with SSL support is being looked at for dai/cogsci. Tim was asked to do this for dai.
      Done
    11. Pilot service progress: The JAVA installation has been finished by Carwyn and is ready to go out. [Carwyn]
      Done

      There are a couple of environment fixes required (background KDE screen and Java paths). [Craig]

      Done

      DICE specific elements of the environment need to be factored out.

      [ACTION: Craig]
    12. support email address: since all users will be required to use a web form for support, there needs to an alternative to support@inf for use for external contacts (eg in DNS records). The Help/Support team will propose a name. (noted 2002-08-06) [Chris/John]
      Ongoing
    13. documentation: the doc page has been reorganised and a revised, DICE-oriented inf/Systems page has been created. This will become the default shortly. (noted 2002-08-06) [Alison/Chris]
      Ongoing
    14. client sendmail.cf: The mail team will update the client sendmail.cf to copy root mail to the rootmail list and to the mail.root value (or equivalent). The first of these has now been done. (noted 2002-08-20) [mail team]
      Ongoing
    15. EUCS Certificate Authority: Simon would mail cos@inf to describe how to get the EUCS Certificate Authority. (noted 2002-08-20) [Simon]
      Done
    16. CA for pine in dai: John will install the EUCS certificate on dai machines so that pine on dai legacy hosts can use it. (noted 2002-08-20) [John]
      Done
    17. CO email addresses in database: Any primary legacy email addresses for computing staff listed in the Informatics database will be changed to inf email addresses on Wednesday afternoon 2002-08-21 16:00. (noted 2002-08-20) [Ken]
      Done
    18. Legacy->inf mail redirects for COs: Legacy->inf mail redirects will be installed for all computing staff on Thursday morning 2002-08-22 10:00. (noted 2002-08-20) [postmasters]
      Done
    19. Admin staff mail transition: Admin staff will be assisted to convert from legacy mail servers to mail.inf as soon as possible. (noted 2002-08-20) [John,Morna,Lindsey,Neil]
      Ongoing
    20. Document: top-level: Top-level document describing the different approaches needed for mail users agents depending on whether or not they were IMAP-aware. (noted 2002-08-20) [Neil]
      Done
    21. Document: procmail: (noted 2002-08-20) [Craig]
      Done
    22. Document: fetchmail: (noted 2002-08-20) [Tim]
      Done
    23. Document: eudora: (noted 2002-08-20) [Morna]
      Done
    24. Document: pine: (noted 2002-08-20) [Roger]
      Done
    25. Document: dtmail: (noted 2002-08-20) [Bill]
      Done
    26. Document: netscape: (noted 2002-08-20) [John]
      Done
    27. Document: mozilla: (noted 2002-08-20) [Iain]
      Done
    28. Document: vm: (noted 2002-08-20) [Chris]
      Done
    29. Target mail changeover date 2002-09-10 : Ken will inform Morna of this decision. (noted 2002-08-20) [Ken]
      Done
    30. amd:

      George managed to cause the same symptoms on a test machine as were afflicting rhymer users, and fixed the bug in amd that caused them. BP are now going to try switching back to rhymer's hme interface, to see if George's bug-fix sorts them out too. [Bill]

      Done

      There is a possibility that fishsupper.inf is still suffering from these problems. Bill will enable full debugging on amd on fishsupper.inf. (noted 2002-09-03)

      [ACTION: Bill]
  2. s-team internal mailing list

    Chris had proposed that an internal mailing list for support staff be set up. There was some concern that it was possibly dangerous to discuss support issues entirely separately from other CO staff and that many of the topics that would be candidates for discussion in the next few months would be resolved fairly quickly. We will revisit this proposal in three months. Chris will raise the issue in December/January (noted 2002-09-03)

    [ACTION: Chris]
  3. Web access control for staff

    Ken raised a couple of points about access control for staff-restricted web pages on www.informatics.

    1. How should we best arrange access for new staff who would normally not have a password in any legacy NIS passwd map (the source of the current web access passwords)? In the short term we could just set a password in the legacy domain associated with their location. In the longer term we need to come up with a legacy-independent method. Neil and Simon will need to give further thought to a long term solution. (noted 2002-09-03)
      [ACTION: Neil, Simon]
    2. Ken will replace the current names used for staff access control with each staff member's UUN. He will inform those staff that will need to use a different name (those whose UUN is different from their legacy username). (noted 2002-09-03)
      [ACTION: Ken]
  4. Mail Issues

    The following mail issues were discussed:

    1. POP access to mail.inf.

      There was some discussion as to whether we should change our decision about not allowing POP access to mail.inf. Although no POP access is advertised for staffmail there is in fact POP access from within the ed domain. It was agreed that this was not a good enough reason for changing our previous decision.

      Neil will poll for comments on the dropping of insecure imap connections to mail.inf from outwith the ed.ac.uk domain. (noted 2002-09-03)

      [ACTION: Neil]
    2. Spamassassin.

      Many spoke about the advantages of allowing use of spamassassin on mail.inf or even of sending all mail through spamassassin on mail.inf. Alastair argued that we could not take this decision without consulting Jeremy and Paul. Alastair will consult them as soon as they are back. (noted 2002-09-03)

      [ACTION: Alastair]
    3. Mail changeover details for September 10th.

      Ken will provide on Wednesday 4th September an alias list for the postmaster of each legacy domain mapping local username of staff member to be redirected to their inf mail address. (noted 2002-09-03)

      [ACTION: Ken]

      Each postmaster should mail the above-listed staff members prior to redirecting the mail from the legacy mail server to mail.inf and again when the redirects are in place to confirm the change (even though this will mean multiple messages for those with more than one legacy account). (noted 2002-09-03)

      [ACTION: postmasters]

      Ken will mail those people on the staff@inf mail alias who will not be redirected on September 10th to let them know what is (not) happening. (noted 2002-09-03)

      [ACTION: Ken]

      Chris and Morna will poll the draft authors of the mail document in order to add information to it on the facts that staff will need to know in order for them to decide individually how they wish to store their mail folders. (noted 2002-09-03)

      [ACTION: Chris, Morna]
  5. Selling DICE to users

    Bill said that people unfamiliar with the lcfg/dcs/DICE way of doing things needed help over the hurdles they will encounter when moving between legacy and DICE systems. Some of these people are keen to move to DICE, but need more information and help to do it.

    Documentation to addresses these questions/criticisms will have to take a lower priority than key implementation tasks which still need to be completed so those responsible for an area that needs better documentation may well not be in a position to do anything personally about producing this documentation. Alastair suggested that those who are finished with the bulk of their DICE work could themselves produce the user documentation that they feel is missing.

    Support staff (and others) should pass on any questions/criticisms about the introduction of DICE to the documentation team. (noted 2002-09-03)

    [ACTION: All]

    Alison will direct the documentation team in summarising the reasons for the choices made in DICE and the advantages of those choices by trawling through the various task reports in order to produce a brief document describing the benefits of moving to DICE. (noted 2002-09-03)

    [ACTION: Alison]

    Mail on mail.inf will be backed up for longer than 30 days until there is time to discuss this at Computing Committee. (noted 2002-09-03)

    [ACTION: Chris, CEG]
  6. Overview of DICE deployment - what stage 1 tasks are incomplete?

    There was no time for discussion of this agenda item


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